We are done with Papa John's! We have a free pizza from points...and then DONE! And this is why...first there was this
CLICK HERE or copy this link http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/05/02/mitt-romney-papa-john-video_n_1471720.html
Then this....
CLICK HERE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/07/papa-johns-obamacare-pizza_n_1752126.html
Now the truth is out!!
CLICK HERE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/13/papa-johns-obamacare_n_2123207.html
Greedy much??!!! IF THIS INFO IS TRUE... This is why I do not care when people say..."But it hurts businesses...they have to pay so much more for insurance..." IT IS THE RIGHT THING TO DO! And plenty...like Papa John will exploit this good act to WHAT ELSE!? Put more money in their own greedy pockets! Oh...wanna see where Papa John lives?!
I am all for success....free enterprise...PLEASE do not get me wrong! But this guy says he can't afford to pay the employees' health care...he would have to raise the price of pizza $0.04! He claims it is $0.15 and he will pocket that extra money...maybe expand his quaint little home...or one of his other homes...sick! We have an epidemic of greed! People die bc they can't afford the costs of health care without insurance...and then there is this idiot. I will gladly boycott this one...I hope others will join me! I would rather he go out of business--though I hate to think of those many people who would lose their jobs--So it is a tough spot. I just don't think I can stomach that pizza anymore, though. Just like Walmart...who pays their employees pennies...and yet they could afford to pay much more. I will avoid both businesses just on an ethical platform...however, now is not the time I guess for more people to lose employment...Not that Walmart would EVER go out of business!
So it sounds like you are opposed (but certainly not surprised) that business owners will be looking for ways to pass the cost associated with either insuring their employees or paying the associated penalty onto the end users - their customers? I noticed an article in which a franchise owner of Denny's will be adding a 5% Affordable Care Act pass through fee onto each of their customer's checks. Makes sense. Its a cost - someone has to pay it. And I think that works for all parties, doesn't it? Everyone gets insurance in the end. I hope those strong supporters of the Affordable Care Act, yourself included, weren't honestly expecting the increased costs associated with compliance of this law to be entirely born by the business.
ReplyDeleteI also hope the newly insured individuals were anticipating this type of a response from businesses - primarily the article quoting the Denny's owner in which he says he will be moving those that work over 30 hours a week to working 28 hours or less causing those newly insured individuals to receive a cut in pay/hours or need to find a second job.
The costs are huge. Good news is one way or another America will be insured. You and I will take care of paying for that via increased costs of products and services that we buy. And I am good with that.
Given your boycott Papa - sounds like you don't favor that route...well, unless its a free pizza, then you are all in! Typical Democrat - stand on your positions unless it is in your financial interests to make an exception. :)
I will boycott Papa Johns on principle and ethics...the man is not suffering to keep his business alive...and he certainly cannot claim he can't afford to do what is right for his employees who work hard to build and maintain his riches.
ReplyDeleteI think business owners need to do what is right. If they cannot afford to do what is right...maybe they will need to raise costs. But my post is about greed. And you never mentioned that in your comment. You continue to defend the wealthy as if they don't already have enough money to bring their voices to the public. It is the people suffering without health care I will always care about. They are the ones needing a voice. I am glad the President has decided to fight for them. End of story.
...boycott....as long as its not free! Hahaha! Better use those free pizza points first and then let those principles and ethics start then. Hahahahaha! That is good stuff! Must be some pretty strong principles you have deep down inside! Hilarious!
ReplyDeleteI think it is wonderful we agree on so many points though - that is where the silver lining is on this! Everyone gets health care - that is what you and I have wanted all along! We disagree on the mechanics of how to accomplish it, but the debate on the "how" is definitely over. The law if firm and we both win! We both want everyone to have access to affordable health care. Yippee!!!
I can tell you got an English degree vs. a business degree. Tell ya what, take some micro and macro econ classes and then follow it up with a consumer behaviors class. Then what you say won't be so funny to the rest of us! Hahahaha! Consistent with many of your posts in which you declare that you have "lost so much respect in me" (as though receiving it is some life mission of mine) as long as we all follow it up with a smiley face, a "haha" and a "love you" all is well!
:) haha love you cousin!
I'm just laughing with how the Dems, and by Dems I mean you, are stomping around as sour winners. You guys got your version of the health care law passed and then get all "ethical and moral" on the concept of a business being motivated by a profit and passing the costs of the law onto the consumer. Why do you guys honestly care how the costs are paid. You guys knew what the costs were when you passed it, you knew who you were asking to pay for this health care law (the wealthy), most Dems have taken a micro and macro econ class and could have reasonably predicted that businesses will try to minimize the impact of the law on their income statement by passing the costs onto consumers. Now we are all ticked off they are doing exactly what we all predicted.
As far as the discrepancy of the Papa story (what you call greed) - does it cost 5 cents or 15 cents? Both sides of the analysis have reasons to support their estimate. Given how divided our country is, if I were Papa, I would make the assumption that several upset winners out there will boycott my brand, but my costs remain the same, so if it costs 8 cents to pay for the Affordable Care Act, I will probably round up to 15 to make sure I am covering the costs and lost profits from the people out there who want to make a stand by not buying pizza anymore. But again, your micro and macro econ class will help you see that competition and consumer behavior will be the ultimate judge if it should be 8 cents, 15 cents or if Papa needs to just mortgage his home and pay for it. My bet is consumer behavior will declare Papa to be the victor.
Okay - you wanted a greed response. I am not sticking up for Papa, Walmart and all the other tax paying corporations. It’s just that I do understand that businesses are motivated by a profit and I don’t fight against that logic. They are motivated to maximize their profits. Because I understand it - I defend it. I won't let one or two bad apples ruin a bunch - if you can even call Papa's election to recognize a cost of doing business and build that cost into his prices "bad." I think greed motivates people to increase their riches. I think it takes sound business people, motivated by greed, in some cases, to create an enterprise like Papa Johns that employs the number of jobs it does and contribute to the tax base of America and its states like it does. If greed created that - I am sure there are 15,000 people that are grateful for it. You and I can't stop greed. But we can be grateful for the positive impact it has on the lives of Americans. The Dems can't tax and spend like they want to without a ton of greedy people trying to make a huge profit from which to pay taxes on, can they? I am not defending greed. What an owner does with his or her money is their choice, not mine. But I will defend a business owners desire to maximize their profit to the extent the marketplace (consumers and competitors) will allow. That is their prerogative. Those who disagree should boycott their tax dollars just as quickly as they boycott their pizza. To do otherwise is hypocritical.
ReplyDeleteBecause in the end - as long as your law gets paid for, just shocked you aren't happy as a lark that America is getting insured! We ought to celebrate! Ash and I will have you over for dinner some night - maybe pizza.
I didn't read all your comment...but glad you thought my joke was funny! I thought it was funny about the free pizza!
ReplyDeleteBrian...why oh why aren't you making good on your promise to stay off of here for a while! Remember? You said you were last post? I know I could do without the typical extended family "Love you" but lets belittle you and say that you are not as educated as I...but "love you!" So silly to me it is laughable.
ReplyDeleteBrian...are you not aware that most economists ARE "Dems?" Are you not aware that I do not pretend to be an economist?! But don't kid yourself that I am the average sit on your butt twiddle your thumbs and believe whatever the tv people tell you. Did you hear what "THEY" say now?! Come on. Whatever my degree...your degree...Mr. Papa John's degree...there is a moral epidemic in our country. That is what I was commenting on. And you think I AM NOT HAPPY!??? Hello! Read the posts below! I am thrilled that Mr. Romney (I honestly almost forgot his name the other day--which is so pleasing to me that he) is no longer in my thoughts and that the man I trust is the man as President. I do not believe you cared that everyone has health care---you certainly never said that before...maybe you care about that as much as Romney REALLY thinks all American's should have a mansion like Mr. Papa John--or thinks that THAT is what people really want or need!
But in order to make sure you understand that I could not be happier or more at peace that the President won this election...I will make another post to make that clear...but Presidential election aside...American's are greedy...and it is sick. And it is sad. And that is what my post was about. It was not about Presidency. It was about greed. But you refused to address the real purpose of the post until I called you out on it bc you like to twist my words and put them in some box...some box labeled "silly liberals" I assume.
Just bc you choose to say that "no matter what we do we can't stop greed"---that does not mean it should not be discussed. If you don't discuss it...it will just grow and become worse. I believe that with everything! If you don't talk about child molesters and how they manipulate and get to children...then it will become worse and worse...You are right...we can never stop them, either. But don't you think we can try to protect our family from it happening by being as informed on the issue and the problem? And don't you think it helps everyone to bring these things to light? But instead in America we applaud the wealthy and say "Great job! Who cares how you got here! You made it bc you have a masion and several homes and you don't even know where your investments go bc you have so many people working for you! Who cares that you spend the smallest amount on your employees when really you could afford to do more!" I know some GREAT wealthy people who NEVER flaunt their wealth and success...who, where applicable, treat their employees well, or in another situations provided for education through privately funded scholarship programs. Wealth and success is wonderful! But it is people like Papa John who discuss me. People who "milk" the political and media divisiveness in order to profit from it. Did you even read the articles? Please don't respond to that. I might get more, "Take some econ classes...but love you!" I say "haha" when it is funny...but I don't say "Love you" after insulting you. And if I ever said it---it probably was as a secret joke to myself bc that is seriously the worst thing ever!
ReplyDeleteBrian, I truly think you would do yourself a favor by laying off trying to understand me or my view point...you never will...and maybe you know that but you just like to put your 2 cents in or talk or something. Not sure. But you are a typical Republican pundit twisting what I say to fit into the box you want it to! And don't fool yourself that you don't defend corporations who profit on greed---that is YOUR JOB! You are a little too close to the issue to see it clearly. (Papa John mortgaging his house? Really?)! That is funny and I hope you meant it that way.
Again...this blog is not meant to "convert" others...it is my venting outlet. (How many times have I reminded you that over the life of this blog)?
When introducing your blog back in February and several times since you have solicited feedback from those that are republicans in an effort to understand both sides. Just call me a "1 Mormon Democrat GOP News Contributor!"
ReplyDelete:)
You are absolutely right - your post was about greed and I didn't hit that nail right on the head from the beginning. I should have. I can appreciate what you were trying to accomplish in comparing greed with child molestation in that we need to bring the issue to light. Unlike child molestation where there are only bad fruits that come from it, I believe greed has good fruits too. We can focus on the bad fruits or we can focus on the good fruits. I believe it is inherently our duty as parents to teach our children about the bad fruits - certainly can't be ignored as you pointed out. But I do believe there are good fruits of greed too. As I look at our two posts - my post was focused on the good fruits (which I acknowledge is not to suggest you don't see good fruits too, simply that at the moment your post was about the bad). Greed does motivate people to maximize their profits and their interests. From that springs lots of good economic activities that help our country and the middle class flourish. Without Papa's greed, however bad it is, the country would be in a worse place - fewer jobs, fewer taxes being paid, etc. I know that doesn't take the sting away from the mansion he lives in and that we'd wish he would be more considerate to his employees that help him be so successful and just take the money out of his own pocket vs. increase the cost of pizza.
Yes, I am aware that many economists are democrats. I wasn't suggesting taking a micro and macro econ class wipes away all the blue in someone’s eyes - only that it helps the individual understand how supply, demand, competitive forces and consumer behaviors drives money far more than a tax law geared at health care expenses or how those things drive it more than raising pizza by 10 cents - its more science and far less emotional as at times it sounded like you wanted to make the business world.
I know we won't change each other - this is just a two cents thing for me.
Yes, I was kidding about mortgaging Papa's house.
My job is to be a corporation's banker. They need capital, I get them loans. They need to move money overseas to buy product from China, I convert their US dollars to a foreign currency and I send it. I'm an advisor and servant. My job is not to defend corporations who profit on greed. There are some corporations I work with who pay 100% of employee health insurance, they do tuition reimbursement, offer on-site gyms and child care for employees. There are some who don't do that. I defend an employer's right to offer the benefits they see fit. That same econ class that the Democrat economists and I took emphasize that employees are a commodity - there is a limited supply of qualified workers and a company's job is to determine what benefits need to be offered to attract the best of the best to want to work for you. It’s that simple. If you don't offer good benefits, you risk that your best employees will want to go work for the competition. I defend a company's right to determine what benefits they need to offer to maximize the supply and demand curve of employees. I believe the government's role should be limited in that field. So I don't defend greed, I defend the right run your business as you see fit. As I said, there are many in Utah I work with that do great things for their employees. Also many that do not. That is their choice. The employee's choice is "do I want to work for this guy/gal or choose somewhere else?" If you lose enough of your good employees, a business owner will start to offer better benefit packages.
But no, I am never trying to convince you. Just wanting to play my role as a GOP contributor to balance the views for all who read your good work.
Well, I think there is a difference between greed and ambition. And greed is never good. I think you can have ambition and drive and do right by your employees by paying them fair wages and providing health care and it improves your business. Walmart does not provide fair wages and Papa John was complaining about providing health care when he can afford it...according to the articles I have read...and the fact that he lives extravagantly.
ReplyDeleteI appreciate you adding your thoughts...but we will never convince each other. Different perspectives entirely.
As far as an employer's choice...I only have a second...but we see it differently. I think employer's having this "choice" to provide insurance for their employees has only hurt America and provided a growth of outrageous costs for health care as a result. When everyone has options for health care this will force the health care companies to provide more competitive costs...in effect lowering the costs, and that benefits everyone...bc they get more people covered on their policies (if they effectively adjust) and more people are covered...and those already covered will have better options for lower cost plans. Obviously this is the ideal outcome. But I certainly am hoping for it. No matter how we discuss it I cannot forget my friend's best friend who died bc her husband recently passed away, and before she could get on a plan she was diagnosed with cancer adn died not being able to afford treatment. I can't justify it in my mind that people like Mr. Papa John who can afford any life saving health care treatment can sit on their thrones of wealth and whine about this change. Of course they will...just like spoiled children whine about being told "no," but in my opinion it is wrong for them to complain...and health care reform is right. I definitely am concerned that companies will be too rash or jump to conclusions...but I read something---I think it was from PBS...that said companies have adjusted...health care costs rose just slightly this past year...but MUCH less than the past 20 years (as far as yearly increase in rates) and that more people are covered today bc of companies anticipating this change. This is great news! Very hopeful. I will try to find this info and post it on here.
The great news about the health care law is we both win - I am honestly glad all Americans are insured and I don't believe for a second that Republicans don't want Americans insured - we/I would have just gone about it a different way. But, it is good news in my opinion that all Americans will be insured. Because no two businesses are alike, also good news in my opinion is that all business owners still have a choice they can make - do you offer insurance to your employees, do you pay the tax penalty instead, or do you widdle away hours for employees to get them under the 30 hours a week requirement to be liable to insure or pay the tax. Either way, America is insured and those that can't afford it will have it paid for by those who are a bit more fortunate. But good news is America is insured and businesses still have a choice on how to run their business.
ReplyDelete....because I agree completely with what you had to say about options, health care, people dying because they were not insured - all that stuff. It is a problem, it did need a solution. And now we have one.
IHC is a client of ours (I would not normally disclose a client name, but they have been quite vocal advocates of our bank - so they already disclosed is for us) - as we see health care premiums increases slow (which you are right - Key's only increased about 5% this year), per IHC, it will largely be to the shift toward accounatable plans (high deductible plans) where the user is responsible for a large initial investment in their health care for the year. When we are accountable, we make more prudent decisions about what medical attention is really "needed" vs. "wanted." As we shift more responsibily to the user, the premiums are able to see less pressure for increase because the USE is much less then bad habits before if we pay a $20 co-pay and then we are ignorant to the rest of the health care costs. I am a BIG fan of that route! But I honestly don't know how those with lower incomes will afford the deductible. Due to the health care law's requirement that insureance premiums be affordable (less than 9.5% of your wages), high deductible plans will be the only option in the coming years. Starting in 2014, Key will only be offering high deductible plans. Great solution for those with ample liquidity to manage the costs up front but I honestly don't see that ending well for many American's that don't have $3,000 in cash set aside for that year's medical bills. Will be interesting to see how that fairs out.
I know we are done with this one - no one is changing views - but just have to say on the greed comment that nothing good comes from it - I know this article is about the Hostess plant closing because the unions and management couldn't reach an agreement, but it still talks about a normal, middle class family blessed by the existance of Hostess. Out of the 15,000 family employeed by the greedy Papa, I gotta think there are several stories just like this. Families like this would likely agree - greedy or not, good fruits are coming from his incestant need to make money.
http://www.ksl.com/?sid=23026357&nid=148&title=kanab-family-loses-income-stability-in-hostess-shutdown&s_cid=featured-3